The new Stellaris: Overlord expansion is finally here and brings the largest new batch of Origins the game has seen since Federations. So, you can go Inward Perfection with Teachers of the Shroud. destroyed by a freak asteroid. Diplomatic corps switched to inward perfection, and chose life-seeded origin. 3 Beta) Did a lot of searching but can't really find an updated consensus on how to build as an IP in the new Unity focused beta. CryptoStellaris doesn’t get this entirely right, however, because transhumanism posits that transcension would happen from a combination of genetic and cybernetic alterations. However, it can still be removed via other means, such as getting the Divine Empire event from the Shroud or becoming Galactic Emperor. . Insult the other side into DoWing you, and then make a bunch of claims over their systems. R5: I decided I wanted to play an inwards perfectionist run this time, and it turns out the RNG gods have blessed me this time around. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. Inward Perfection give massive unity boost, +5 happiness and growth rate and edict fund, with translated to roughly 1. 4. a there are no brakes on the r a p e train! The rest are consequences. Inward perfection can be actualy quite decent when used well. I mean in the context of the game. Since then the commenters figured out to make it even worse. I've had other countries ask to become tributary to me if they weren't too dissimilar, I think this is easier if they share your third ethic (beside pacifist and xenophobe). Totally forgot about swapping ethics mid-game! Reply . 402K subscribers in the Stellaris community. Having Quarrelsome as your negative quirk kind of offsets one of your main bonuses. Reply. . no. I have played them twice, once a long time ago before the Lithoids and one now. Any empire that established communications with a Galactic Community member is able to join or leave. but honestly being fanatic pacifist is absolute pain in the butt. ) No, it made perfect sense to ask that of the op. 1. And even helped me to fight the others. Ngl of all the games i've played in stellaris playing Inwards Perfection has always been my favouriteGet the Chosen One from the Shroud, take the Divine Sovereign event when it triggers, and it reforms you to Fanatic Authoritarian + Spiritualist with 3 different civics instead, forcing away the Inward Perfection in the process. It is, in fact, the very opposite of random. If you're not playing as an aggressive expansionist empire, then you're playing a very boring game of Stellaris. It's the strongest economic tradition. To take the "inward perfection" civic, you have to take Xenophobe and Pacifist. This change does remove the Inward Perfection trait. If not, that sounds like a bug. The best Civics in Stellaris include Citizen Service, Feudal Society, Distinguished Admiralty, Inward Perfection, Barbaric Despoilers, Death Cults, Reanimators, Fanatic Purifiers, Master Crafters. As I recall, the process took almost a century. That's all. The AI thinks it will win, declares war (often humiliation), you make then claims as war goals. For additional information: my governing ethics are xenophobic, pacifist, and. Found a ruined megastructure that. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy…Actually in Stellaris, you can read/write the file like a normal save (unless you specifically mean the in game save/load buttons). And I'm glad that they're going about nerfing it in the right way - they're adding maluses, rather than just nerfing the beneficial effects and homogenizing it. Add a Comment. It's been over 5 years. I play as Mammalian Machine more than anything else, simply because I love how it looks, and its how I imagine our Machines will look one day. Inward Perfection bonuses are very strong but it attached to a most awfull ethic- PACIFISM . ago. You just play until you've had your fill of it. Though you are missing the point of inward perfectionist then. xforce11. Whenever you declare wars to impose ideology or vassalize, your entire population gets REALLY angry, literally going to 0% faction support from 90%+ When hemmed in build rapid ship build capacity, stockpile alloys and influence and use a high tech small fleet which builds more power in less time. You will have wars declared on you, use them to make claims on chokepoints for better border. Yeah I know, random isn't evenly spread out but still, right now I can't see a difference between the two placement types if they put everyone on one pile anyways. Under Inward Perfection, all situations that would usually result in a protectorate or vassal, are supposed to make a tributary instead (unless there's a bug); tributaries can't be annexed. Although I'm not 100% sure. Just the -50% from Isolationist, and given how modifiers work in Stellaris that's a -50% to be added up with all the Envoys and stuff. The actual answer tho is ‘kinda’. However I don't want it to be a standard Stellaris run per say. I'm a bit iffy with Teacher of the Shroud and Psionics on Inward Perfection, as I think Inward Perfection really appreciates Synthetics or Genetics ascension path to give it better pop growth. I tried three or four times with an inward perfectionist empire but always got declared sooner or later. Past and Future of the More Events Mod. Them reform after that. Inward perfection player empires focusing on science are easy to kill. Back around version 2. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…18 votes, 12 comments. I had decent success one game as an inward-perfectionist who got the chosen one event chain, ditching the pacifism trait around 2310 or so. 5. The Council bonus needs to support the "fantasy" of playing as Inward Perfection, even if the support is very weak, just token support. Some people use Inward Perfectionist to play tall for the first century or so, then switch ethics and start conquering the galaxy. Of those listed, only Shared Burdens and Inward Perfectionist pretends to be utopian and Inward Perfectionists doesn't depend on a specific authority, just Shared Burdens. The former prevent any form of cooperation. OP is just joining the band wagon of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about changes. " and the off-worlders as nothing more than "fearmongers" in the Origin. Any interaction will corrupt our pure people Also my inward perfectionist empire: I want a monument on all my planets, yes here’s are tax payers money, also could you do something for my daughters birthday party?But I didn't want to remove Inward Perfection without justification. Same thing happens with synthetic ascension. I would say that Inwards Perfection benefits a ton from unity bonuses and pop growth so, rapid breeders and traditional are must-haves. Pacifists can also get a +10 happiness edict. Three games in a row (Grand Admiral, but I have over 2000 hours in this game so I know what I am doing) I have tried to play an. Go psionic ascension, and use the chosen one event to drop out of inward perfection (become an awakened empire), ideally before choosing the last tradition so you can have both politics and diplomacy. Gone are different. The galactic community. [deleted] •. Elsewise you can't engage in a war as far as I know. Platform (s): PC, PS5, PS4, Xbox Series X, Xbox One. ferretleader • 5 yr. You also get the adaptability tradition tree, which is just ludicrous, as you get an extra building slot on all of your worlds. I understand it's taboo to say there are wrong ways to play, but. Yeah, let’s play tall. Pacifists can conquer their claims in defensive wars, so if you don't. Find him and vassalize him as soon as possible. So far the closest thing to it is inward perfection but even they can and most likely will be dragged into a lot of wars. Since I'm planning on going Psionic and taking the shroud decision that overwrites. Thread starter Larknok1; Start date Feb 23, 2018; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have updated our. As other people have said theirs some events that can remove it however theres also a more Cheaty way. Tried to avoid contacting anyone for as long as possible, other than the marauders that my home planet spawned next to. I've got a lot of hours in Stellaris. New Playthrough. Best. Zaranthan. Edicts are much more useful in this version of the game. I have tried a run as an Inward Perfectionist (which seemed to me like a good pick for Bio ascension) but I don't enjoy the limited diplomacy options or the factions. 1 A VictoriAARn Education Victoria II 3. . Regardless, it's still a viable civic. With the modification to Agrarian Idyll, plus the extra size of the Gaia World in the Life Seeded Origin, I can, every game, without fail; just sit back and watch the galaxy burn around me. It was last verified for version 3. Warhammer Larpers, Furry Roleplayers and Min-maxers. 76 Badges. I'd started out with Inward Perfection, so for the most part, I was happy just hanging out in my end of one of the galaxy spokes which meant that I only needed a single governor, a couple scientists, and an admiral to fill stuff up and just kept. turns out those uber sleeping races are stronger than a single 50k fleet. Depending on the choices during rebellion, you might end up having control of a Determined Exterminator. Inward Perfection also got some major buffs insofar as growth rate, influence gain (though somewhat mitigated by being unable to have Rivals), citizen happiness, and most importantly, changes to the Domination tree (into Purity, granting tile blocker cost removal cost reduction, resettlement cost reduction, Symbol of Purity, happiness, Warscore cost. To win I usually employ one of two strategies: Become the biggest and strongest empire with lots of planets and systems. Passive eco-booming just falls off a cliff after 100 years, and you need some other means of population growth to keep up. P. I tried Inward Perfection for the first time when I came back from a long break from Stellaris, so I thought maybe a game update changed that tradition branch for everyone. Considering you need to conquer galaxy to win pacifism is "I don't want to win this game" ethos. It could work but i woudnt rely on your vassals for anything. First tradition is Mercantile and second is either unyielding or supremacy. Friendly-Hamster983 The Flesh is Weak •. I kept them happy by bribing them with resources and getting non-aggression pacts. Note that you can actually do some productive warring as a non-fanatic Pacifist Inward Perfection empire by taking Nihilistic Acquisition and going raiding; in fact, I would recommend doing this at some point, as otherwise, waiting for your Ecumenopolises and Ringworlds to fill up later on gets quite tedious. As a general rule of thumb, Egalitarian and Authoritarian are the best overall ethics for their economic bonuses, so one of them would make sense. In my experience inward perfectionist factions get easier to manage once you acquire some strategic resources, prosperity traditions and start working on your psionic ascension. Is this still possible? This means a permanent -10% to resource production (countered by high stability due to pacifism and inwards perfection), +20% amenities costs (though +10% happiness bonus due to inward perfectionist and toxic counters it) and - 10% growth speed (that one really sucks, because it's on top of being lithoid and relentless industrialist, netting -45%. You don't realize you've made a horrible mistake until several technological breakthroughs and two. Xenofobe is good for pop growth and early expand (if you close your borders and don't have migration you need the extra growth), pacifist is good (+admin cap for early expand) if you don't want to wage war anyway, you could go for fanatic with any of them or pick a 3rd. Had my default species rights set to resident. Thanks for the help…Inward Perfection is very strong. None of those strategies will work with Inward Perfection though. So, got this inwards perfection neighbour, i am at +120 opininon, trust about 70 I think, we got a research agreement, a commercial pact and a Non Aggression pact, he is at Cordial. Doing Inward Perfection + Life Seeded is just super-hard mode. /Sarcasm. Homogenization as a tool of game balance is awful. You also need to get lucky with Shroud events. Trouble is that to demand Tribute CB requires domination traditions to be adopted. When everyone realizes they were fooled -- the nominated Empire become neutral to me. The only other non war option is to get commercial pacts with other megacorp empires, and hope they build branch offices on some of your planets, but Inward Perfection blocks commercial pacts. Imperial Authority (so you can swap in Aristocratic Elite during the midgame) Agrarian Idyll, Mining Guilds. And the only fallen empires are the robot caretakers that care for nothing. Spiritualist, Authoritarian, Pacifist. Inward Perfection disables a lot of different mechanics, like being able to wage war to take more territories. You just play until you've had your fill of it. I view it as a challenge. Finally finished my first game after like 4 attempts on cadet diff haha. I played myself into a boring endgame. A Screenshot of Stellaris. ? The problem is that you can't War. Maybe there's some mods out there that make it interesting, but the vanilla version is awful. . I always attack my neighbors and wage ideological wars. Mammalian and Humanoid Robots. Inward Perfection. Preventing an early war with these overwhelming-fleet power democratic crusaders seemed worth it (if this +125 relations swing does in fact prevent war; unfortunately they have an envoy set to harm relations and I have zero envoys due to inward perfection to counter this). Those come with political implications though. oh. Imperial Inward Perfection empires get a unique government type - Celestial Empire. At the end of the day, the best part of Stellaris is the weird stories like this that crop up. So, I'm playing as a Life Seeded plant people, One Planet challenge style, hoping to fund my expansion with Tribute from the empires around me. But it got boring cause I had so much power but I. I've played devouring swarm, void dwellers, rogue servitor, tree of life, megacorp, inward perfection, a slaver technocracy, and a generic xenophile/tech organic empire. Stellaris. The only problem with it is the expansion problem. Whenever I play inward perfectionist I roleplay pretty hard into it so I never deal with other empires. Including Inward Perfection. If you want to use my mods as the basis for your own, you are very welcome to do so. Even with feudal empire it takes them ingame centure's to build up a decent nation. I'm sorry but you're playing wrong. determined exterminators? inward perfection? your people are the daleks im sorry Reply HighOverlordXenu. Really annoying oversight on Paradox' part. 120. Now, i want to play an isolationist empire, tell everyone to piss off, mind my own goddamn business, focun in research and events. I have vassals, currently tributaries, that I can't specialize. Pops on a colony ship remain 'as-is'. Start with the unity trade policy until you work your way through the commercial tree. It's currently the year 2440 in my game, and nobody has attacked me yet. Inward Perfection empires have a 100% useless Tradition. My favorite way of playing isolationist is an inward perfectionist with agrarian idyll. A lot of empires can't win without changing ethics/civics/play style. *. 5x multiplier and the militarists a 0. Let's try to get a garaunteed Psionic Ascension Rush in the first. Description Inward perfectionist cannot advance shroud enclave situation since they can't set their diplomatic stance to cooperative. I would have given the Shire Inward Perfectionist instead of Beacon of Liberty. Hydrocentric specifically prevents removing the aquatic trait in gene modding. I'm pretty sure that "willing" means they have to ask for it. Then proceed to bulk up on fleets for the end game crisis / war in heaven and play politics, with the goal of becoming the god emperor of the. The whole reason I chose inward perfection is so I would be left alone to just grow my civilization, and maybe overtime liberate the rest of the galaxy whence strong enough. I played a round of Inward Perfectionists lately and was doing just fine. Started as a trade focused human corporation. I prefer to use my custom made tall chair and pc table to play tall. 2. Yes, its great! Good combo is to start as inward perfectionist, get that great early bonus that inward perfectionists get and than transition into god emperor with which you can. In general, prerequisites for an ascension perk only matter for picking it. Navar4477 Inward Perfection • 6 mo. I once got the achievement as a pacifist surrounded by warmongers. My own personal Inward Perfection empire is a Technocratic Oligarchy, basically looking to achieve technological supremacy over the galaxy so the vermin can't bother them. Stellaris. 75% job boost. Inactive Civics - Lost Inward Perfection. You're just shooting yourself in the foot before a race. I started as an empire I have been wanting to play for a while. Inward Perfection play style. Maintain a large enough fleet so no one ever tries anything and build up your defenses. If you were going with this combo, and trying to play on Commodore+ Difficulty, what would you use for traits, initial civics (or whatever they're called), strategery, etc. 9 ‘Caelum’ Patch Notes, and Ask Us Anything!. Even with feudal empire it takes them ingame centure's to build up a decent nation. Just so disgusted by aliens that they refuse to even go out and purify them, I guess. You can REPLACE all your civics with combination of desired one (without inward ofk). Edit: Oh and my factions are also happy, at 100% Approval ratings. This means you’ll be limited to a relatively small area once you get boxed in by other spacefaring empires without much ability to take new land. Things that boost trade value actively encourage interacting with other empires. I'd like AI governments to elect a shiny new xenophobe leader, go Inward Perfectionist and withdraw from the GC. Take sides during the War in Heaven. I somehow ended up with a comically ineffective Inward Perfection Galactic Emperor in my last long-game. Stellaris. For this run I made a life-seeded fanatic xenophile egalitarian with idyllic bloom and free heaven. •. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. :c Unless I'm dumb and I misunderstand this. Now why would you get the Scion origin as inward perfection? Because you can declare war on the other to bring them to the fold. Trouble is that to demand Tribute CB requires domination traditions to be adopted. Inward Perfection is indeed very weak in the current meta. There is no way to tackle the game through economic or cultural means. It's currently the year 2440 in my game, and nobody has attacked me yet. After you pick up the influence bonuses influence from factions don't really matter. Authorian etics and then go stratified economy. I mean you could easily take xenophobe which gives you the 20% influence reduction cost, but also just be a base materialist or spiritualist or militarist, etc. Enjoy your stratified society. I am the kind of player that usually plays an aggressive slaver empire that vassalizes everything in sight. It also presents this as the most doubtful scenario because it suggests that AI would achieve transcension long before any human. The path to the aggressive inward perfectionist is, as it always was, the Insult. I have recently started a new game with an empire using the teachers of the shroud origin and the inward perfection civic. Related Topics Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video. By mid game, every single AI was either my subsidiary (around 70% of all galactic population, in all but one case voluntary) or a member of my Trade Federation. Civics: Inward Perfection + Agrarian Idyll Inward Perfection is really an ideal pick for us, since we do not plan to wage any wars. With the remnants or on the shoulders of giants origin. One of my favorite empires was to run pacifist, xenophobe, spiritualist oligarchy with inward perfection, exalted priesthood, and meritocracy as my third. 4. 3; Reactions: Reply. About 200 of which were slaves I was growing on a few of my normal worlds. Inward perfection is for isolationist per definition, so I think the ethos combo (xenofobe and pacifist) is okay for you too. I'm finishing up a game right now where I took inward perfection, have a below average number of. Inward perfection and don't join the galactic community. Including migration treaties so you can't get good races. (Wish the game told you why you lost a civic rather than just saying it isn't working. I am no longer maintaining my Stellaris mods and, as a result, they are probably incompatible with the latest release. You need spiritualist, pacifist and xenophobe and choose a monarchy with inward perfection. Doing this changes your civics to Imperial Cult, Aristocratic Elite, and Philosopher King. I see that some of the strengths of inward perfection include a minor population growth bonus, increased citizen happiness, and an additional edict. Jun 24, 2022. It now provides the Divine Sovereign civic granting +10% Unity and. Void Dweller and Inward Perfection are useless now /s. The rest was home grown void dweller. It's not even that strong. Then just periodically change them to a different species that will assimilate. 3). Inner Peace. Stellaris is a game where you want a good income of all the resources, but if you stack many bonuses up just right, you can create an overwhelming strength. 5 to 1. I'm on console btw. That many pops and jobs is no joke, your production will be easily enough to protect your borders. Filling up research planets/habitats one at a time, everything else simply exists to support this. One of you should declare liberation war, force their ethics on him. Rule 5 - I’m playing an spiritualist inward perfection empire with the Teachers of the Shroud origin and can’t progress the situation triggered by their divination mechanic. I want to see if life seeded is viable now that pop growth is so slow. Buff for inward perfectionists. Habs count as habitable planets and so just spam them until you have 40% of all habitable worlds in your borders. Steps to reproduce the issue. This used to include Barbaric Despoilers, but I think that got changed back with the release of Federations. My two personal favorite Machine portraits. Declare war. . Fun facts: Before becoming a Crisis I managed to get the strongest empire to be blamed for being a "Crisis"; Got a lot of Crisis points purging fake "Crisis" worlds :P. R5: My inward perfectionist empire: Xeno are like poison, or perhaps radiation. The factions supporting me are still the most numerous and have at least 60% support and make up 60% of the total population. Your best option may be to embrace your xenophobe faction, downgrading your pacifism, so you can do Liberation Wars. I don’t think it could have been due to growing. Find an empire with Inward Perfection, that is weak enough for subjugation to be possible. Inward perfection Reply. Any of these strategies can be combined, except for opposing ethics. A Screenshot of Stellaris. I'm not running any mods. If you've already played psychic, then try an egalitarian - xenophile - spiritualist and be the ones trying desperately trying to enlighten the galaxy, bring in. Stellaris - Unable to expel criminal megacorp branch offices as inward perfectionist empire [Dick v3. The goal would be to vassalize them peacefully. Stellaris Dev Diary #313 - 3. I'd also like Inward Perfectionist to prevent access to the GC, but hey. To find inner perfection. EDIT: I can ethics shift fairly easy away from pacifist, which will disable the civic and allow me to declare unrestricted wars. I'd like to see Inward Perfection as something you acquire in the mid-game which buffs you considerably, but at the cost of diplomatic participation -- and if it happens in the mid-game, then you're making an informed decision about galactic diplomacy. R5 : I've tried an Inward Perfection game, and took the Nihilistic Acquisition perk. Inward Perfection is rather limiting, requiring you to both Pacifist and Xenophobe so you don't exactly have much option for ethics. Jump to latest Follow Reply. One of you should declare liberation war, force their ethics on him. Seal off the borders and take the defensive and espionage traditions while building a sentry array. And Inward Perfection cannot use any of the methods we know about currently - vassals, abduction, and conquest being the big ones. Inward perfection prevents forced tributary's, but not vassals themselves. Playing as an Celestial Empire (Inward Perfection), my next door neighbor is the Materialist Fallen Empire. Fear of the Dark Origin description. Stellaris upvotes. As an Inward Perfectionist I got ‘lucky’ I could still DOW on them through the Katzen menu. A_Lost_Soul476 • 3 yr. Xenophile for the diplomacy plus. Colony ships lock pip from what their based on. War's are purly defendsive in nature and vassals arent really that good of a minnon. 33x multiplier you'd have a very hard time shifting especially given you generate militarist ethics pull by being in wars, which you can't. In my opinion, Inward Perfection is very fun and very overpowered. I was new to Stellaris, and I did not know that all organic pops (in non DE/DA/RS) empires can only exist in a state of Grid Amalgamation or being purged. Barbaric Despoilers / Inward Perfection / Fanatic Purifiers: these guys get the Adaptability tradition, which does three things for you: -10% housing usage (so you can leave out the communal trait), +1 building slot (extremely useful), and the Orbital Survey habitat decision which gives your 'blank' habitats one of the resource deposit district. If you haven’t guessed already, pick inward perfection. About 200 of which were slaves I was growing on a few of my normal worlds. It really feels disappointing to have to. My 4 neighbours are 3 democratic crusaders, and a fanatic purifier. The machine still has an ON function only. Nameless_Emperor. 3. As the awakening should convert all the pops instantly (thus, what is being grown). txt" that contains all your custom empires. Inward Perfection. Not to mention, you'll never have to build a generator district as a megacorp, which means even more space and even more pops. ago. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. After some recent experiences with the War in Heaven, the idea of a xenophobic Inward Perfectionist empire hidden behind chokepoints has gained much attraction ;-) However, I came across this thread where someone pointed out, that basically five out of eight victory scores are unachievable (everything exept economy. I. Negative trait is usually decadent. The stellaris is narrative is the best and Paradox continues to do a better and better job of making that less maniacal playstyle more attractive, via all those aforementioned systems and more. For instance, you can get plus 50% bonus to the energy your technicians yield. The problem is that I am now fanatic xenophobe and materialist. Ringworlds and habitats count towards the 40% of worlds required, so build enough of them and you'll reach it. #2. This means I can only have defensive wars, and to make a claim you need to be able to have offensive wars policy, which being a inward perfectionist empire is outlawed and I cannot change that policy. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment BobofBob22 Space Cowboy • Additional comment actions. I've looked around and checked out a neighbouring level 5 hegemony with 6 members. Inward Perfection Cannot be added or removed after game start +20% Monthly unity +10% Pop growth speed +5% Citizen pop happiness +50 Edict fund +1 Encryption −1 Codebreaking −1 Available envoys; Cannot use the Subjugation casus belli; Cannot use the Minister of State council positionDrop the Inward Perfection civic and show the now horrified galaxy exactly how perfect you have become while being Space Ming. And you can release a sector as a vassal, but I think there are some requirements that I can’t remember. This will also work if you have Imperial but switch it to a more. Something players do in ingame years. Inward Perfection is the only serious mechanics change civic that can be removed after game start. You see, one of the things I really like about Stellaris is the room for personal interpretation, that it leaves some things vague enough for a wide range of narratives. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. Stellaris Dev Diary #312 - 3. r/Stellaris. Pompous Purists is civic for empires, that want to have more agreements with other empires (in comparsion with other xenophobes) and Inward. ago. Step 8: Can Inward Perfection prevent criminal megacorps from establishing branch offices on your planets? I know that normal ones can't do it because you can't do commercial agreements, but are criminal megacorps also blocked, or are you just hosed because you can't declare war and they can put their offices on your planets? Get the Chosen One from the Shroud, take the Divine Sovereign event when it triggers, and it reforms you to Fanatic Authoritarian + Spiritualist with 3 different civics instead, forcing away the Inward Perfection in the process. Larger sacrifices should be coming from your subjects via the overlord building. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. By: Kastor. You don't win a Stellaris game. You can just wage war and eradicate xenos. This being said going into inward perfection and just holing up playing really tall then exploding out after the event chain should be a fun way to do what you are suggesting. But Perak had the warlike trait so I figured, eh that's justification enough. 9. That's why it's locked, because it would be OP to reap the benefits. 7. but I saved my game right before I made the switch,. War's are purly defendsive in nature and vassals arent really that good of a minnon. Darvin3 • 1 yr. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments. Last I played was pre 2. And you don't need to build that many city districts. IPWIW. I've also lost most (more than half) of my monthly influence. You also need to get lucky with Shroud events. Groups with limited/removed diplomacy typically have adjusted trees. Hovering over the leader will reveal the other veteran class traits. 59.